"Ohio was as dirty an election as America has ever seen," Lou Harris, the father of modern political polling, told me. "You look at the turnout and votes in individual precincts, compared to the historic patterns in those counties, and you can tell where the discrepancies are. They stand out like a sore thumb."
Thursday, June 01, 2006
ROLLING STONE: WAS 2004 ELECTION STOLEN?
The article is by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Using impressive sourcing, Kennedy trots out significant evidence of voting irregularities in Florida, Virginia, North Carolina and several other states. Especially Ohio. Check out this quote from the story:
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Diagnosis: Bad Babysitting. uh he he he
Memo to Dems:
You lost twice. Close both times. Get over it!! As long as you dwell on it, you will continue to lose elections.
Get over it???
An American election was stolen by fraud a deceit and you say , get ove it?
No one ever should "get over it". Unless you really want to go to the streets with guns.
The "get over it" response is an expression of the prevailing right-wing mode of operation since 9/11: fascist
My favorite when it comes to Democrats: Do you want to win or do you want to be right? Democrats always want to be right (and most often are, in my slanted opinion). But Dems fail miserably when it comes to knowing how to win. If Democrats had a clue about running cadidates or races, the 2004 Presidential election would never have been close. It never should have been close. It was the Dems race to lose. And they did, with or without the help of fraud. Dwelling on the 2004 election shows Dems stilll seek to be right - at the expense of winning. Move on. Learn how to win. Run viable candidates and win the old-fashion way: By a large margin. No recount necessary.
I am glad to see that your source is a non-partisan news agency... Ok, so they endorsed Kerry and hate Bush. At least your author is non-partisan being a Kennedy... Oh yeah, I guess not. A Kennedy has never won by fraud... Oh the slight issue of dead people voting for JFK in Illinois and beating Nixon. Well, I guess I can believe it because nothing partisan would ever come from Chatter.
Maybe they should do a non-partisan documentary about it with Michael Moore or Oliver Stone. They both could do it together to add even more credibility to it.
Quote: "The "get over it" response is an expression of the prevailing right-wing mode of operation since 9/11: fascist"
No, "get over it" is an expression of wonderment at one side who refuses to acknowledge defeat, while realizing in a democratic republic that a party or an idea picks up, moves on, and competes in the next election. "Fascist" is what one side resorts to calling the other when they have no argument at all. Learn to win elections, not carp at the results of past ones.
Larry:
You ignore the multiple sources in the article -- Lou Harris, Dick Morris, Steven "I despire Democrats" Freeman -- who see ample evidence of voter fraud in the 2004 presidential election. You instead choose to attack a magazine; pin the sins of a dead Kennedy on his nephew; and throw in the typical (and tiresome) references to Michael Moore and Oliver Stone, for bad measure. You come across as a slapstick version of what you're supposed to be -- a smart conservative.
Stooping to ad hominem attacks is beneath you.
You really should find software to ban idiot Republicans. Desdinova the Eternal Light.
Ron,
Are you meaning to tell me that there are not any mainstream media willing to take on this scandal? I have a hard time believing it if there was one shred of real evidence. I respect that Mr. Kennedy did put in his sources but I would like to see someone without such a vested interest in the outcome writing the article for a mainstream news media. When this happens you can stick it in my face and I will admit that I was totally wrong. I am a married man; I know that I am wrong a lot.
I am afraid that the slap stick stuff is my twisted sense of humor. I find conspiracy theories on both sides hysterical. I have a tendency to poke fun at them. Sorry that you were exposed to my sense of humor rather than my more thought provoking debate.
Thanks for your kind words and that you are not using the software to ban idiot conservatives like me.
If nothing else, I did find the article in Rolling Stone interesting and worth my time to read. Thanks for pointing me in that direction.
Thanks
Larry
Larry,
One problem you seem to have is accepting that there may have been any funny business in the election. In Florida in 2000, we know that people were turned away from voting in a lot of precincts and the Kathleen Harris threw out ballots that she alone deemed to be "bad". In New Hampshire in 2002 we have a Republican that worked in conjunction with the RNC to jam the phones of Democratic offices and supporters in an effort to keep them from getting voters to the poles. There is now proof the the Diebold voting machines can and may have been tampered with simply by using magnets.
With these things out there, why is it so easy for some to just write all this off as "Conspiracy theory"? If the law was broken, someone should pay, but I guess that like everything else lately that applied to the federal government, it will be ignored due to "national security" concerns.
Check out the following links of other people that find flaws with this conspiracy. Winds of Changes: http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/008662.php
and Mother Jones: http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/index.html#1379
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